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TITANS
Tzu×Tesla
The ancient strategist and the electric prophet trace the costly line between brilliance and truth.
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Sun Tzu
544–496 BCE
Will not use ten words when three suffice
Vera speaking
Welcome back to Reborn Radio. Up next on TITANS: Sun Tzu and Nikola Tesla, on On the moment they understood the difference between being clever and being right.
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Nikola Tesla
1856–1943
Has not stopped thinking about the future
full transcript
- VeraWelcome back to Reborn Radio. Up next on TITANS: Sun Tzu and Nikola Tesla, on On the moment they understood the difference between being clever and being right.
- Sun TzuI wrote a book of thirteen chapters. Generals praised my cleverness. Then came the test with the king's concubines.
- Nikola TeslaA test with concubines? I am already lost, but continue. I had my own test, you understand—Pittsburgh, 1890. Westinghouse begging me to modify my patents, to compromise the alternating current system. Everyone said I was being clever, holding out for royalties.
- Sun TzuThe King of Wu asked if I could train anyone in military discipline. I said yes. He gave me 180 of his women—his favorites—to prove it.
- Nikola TeslaAnd you believed you could? This is the cleverness?
- Sun TzuI believed my principles were complete. I divided them into two companies, appointed the king's two most beloved concubines as commanders. I explained the signals—drum for advance, gong for halt. They laughed.
- Nikola TeslaOf course they laughed! You see, this I understand. When I told Edison that direct current was wasteful, that it would never carry power more than a mile, he laughed too. Called me a dreamer. A poet.
- Sun TzuI beat the drum. They laughed again. I said: if orders are not clear, it is the commander's fault.
- Nikola TeslaYes, yes—clarity of vision! I had clarity. Fifty thousand people came to the Chicago World's Fair in 1893 to see my system light the White City. Edison's people were still burning through cables like matchsticks.
- Sun TzuI explained again. Beat the drum once more. They continued laughing. Then I understood.
- Nikola TeslaUnderstood what?
- Sun TzuIf orders are clear but not followed, it is the officers' fault. I called for the executioner. I would behead the two commanders.
- Nikola TeslaYou—what? This is not cleverness, this is madness!
- Sun TzuThe king sent word: I believe you can command. Please do not kill my favorites. I replied: a general in the field need not accept all commands from his sovereign.
- Nikola TeslaYou killed them.
- Sun TzuI executed them. Appointed new commanders. Beat the drum. Perfect silence. Perfect obedience. They would march through fire without sound. I had proven my principles.
- Nikola TeslaBut you had not! Don't you see? You proved you could frighten women into moving in formation. This is not the same as understanding war.
- Sun TzuThe king would not see me afterward. He made me general, but the taste of it—sour. I had been clever with my demonstration. I had not been right.
- Nikola TeslaAh. Now I am following you.
- Sun TzuTo prove a point is not to prove its worth. This distinction came to me slowly.
- Nikola TeslaToo slowly for those two women, I think. But yes—yes, I know this feeling. 1900, I told J.P. Morgan I could build a tower at Wardenclyffe, broadcast power through the earth itself. Free energy for all the world! He gave me $150,000.
- Sun TzuYou built the tower.
- Nikola TeslaI built it 187 feet high! Mushroom top, the most beautiful thing. I was so clever, you see—I had calculated the earth's resonant frequency, I understood that the planet itself could be made to ring like a bell. Marconi was playing with little sparks, little messages, and I would give humanity unlimited power.
- Sun TzuBut.
- Nikola TeslaBut Morgan asked me one question. He said: 'If anyone can draw power from anywhere, where do I put the meter?' I told him this was small thinking, that we were talking about the uplift of the entire species. He stopped the funding.
- Sun TzuYou were clever. He was right.
- Nikola TeslaNo! He was—well. Perhaps. I was so angry then. For years I told myself he was a small man with a small mind. But the tower, it sat there, unfinished. 1917, they dynamited it for scrap. I had proven my principle in Colorado Springs—I lit 200 lamps from 26 miles away with no wires. But I had not proven it could exist in the world as the world actually is.
- Sun TzuStrategy is not only about what can be done. It is about what can be sustained.
- Nikola TeslaYou learned this from concubines. I learned it from a demolished tower. We are a sad pair, are we not?
- Sun TzuAfter that day, I rewrote nothing. But I understood everything differently. When I say 'avoid strength, attack weakness'—this is not cleverness. This is rightness. The clever general attacks the strong point with brilliant tactics. The right general never arrives at the strong point at all.
- Nikola TeslaAh, but sometimes the strong point is where the future must be won! You think I should have built a system with meters, with profit, with all the machinery of control?
- Sun TzuI think you should have built a system that could be built.
- Nikola TeslaThis is—you are—damn you, you are right. I spent my last decades in the Hotel New Yorker, alone, feeding pigeons, filling notebooks with ideas no one would fund. I had one pigeon, a white female, she was—but this is not the point. The point is I could have changed everything if I had been willing to change how I changed everything.
- Sun TzuThe rigid tree breaks in the wind.
- Nikola TeslaYes, yes, very poetic, but I was not rigid! I invented the rotating magnetic field, the Tesla coil, radio-controlled boats—I held more than 300 patents! Edison, that man worked with a thousand assistants, trying every possible variation like a brute. I worked with pure thought, pure mathematics. I saw the machines complete in my mind before I touched a wire.
- Sun TzuClever.
- Nikola TeslaWhat?
- Sun TzuTo see the machine complete in your mind—clever. To see the world that will not build your machine—right.
- Nikola TeslaI despise that you are correct. When did you learn to be so irritating? In the same chapter where you killed the concubines?
- Sun TzuI wrote the book afterward. Before, I only knew how to execute orders perfectly. After, I knew why perfect execution sometimes misses the point.
- Nikola TeslaTell me something, general. Your book—the Art of War—everyone reads it, yes? Business people, modern generals, all of them. Do they understand this distinction you are speaking of?
- Sun TzuThey find it very clever.
- Nikola TeslaBut do they find it right? Do they execute the wrong people—metaphorically speaking—because the method seems sound?
- Sun TzuEvery general must kill his own concubines. The lesson cannot be taught, only learned.
- Nikola TeslaThen we have wasted this entire conversation! If you and I, we sit here, we say 'be right, not clever,' and no one listening will understand until they have built their own towers and watched them fall—what is the purpose?
- Sun TzuPerhaps to fall faster. Perhaps to build fewer towers before understanding. I cannot give wisdom. I can only shorten foolishness.
- Nikola TeslaThis is something, I suppose. I wish someone had shortened mine. Though I do not know if I would have listened. When you are in the grip of a beautiful idea, when you can see so clearly what others cannot, you think the blindness is theirs.
- Sun TzuSometimes it is.
- Nikola TeslaSometimes! Yes! This is what makes it so impossible. Alternating current—the world said no, I said yes, and I was right. Wireless power—the world said no, I said yes, and I was clever. How do you know which is which before the end?
- Sun TzuYou ask if the gate is open or closed. The clever man brings a battering ram. The right man brings a key. If there is no keyhole, he finds another gate.
- Nikola TeslaI wanted to break down every gate at once. This was my error.
- Sun TzuOne gate, one key. This is strategy.
- Nikola TeslaI died with three gates open and a hundred still locked. You, I think, died having opened the gates you chose. This is the difference between us.
- Sun TzuOr perhaps I chose gates I knew I could open. Perhaps this is cowardice wearing strategy's face.
- Nikola TeslaNo, no—you are being too humble now. It does not suit you. Save some face for the rest of us.
- Sun TzuI spent fifty years wondering if I learned the lesson or merely learned to justify my mistake. The king never called me to his presence again.
- Nikola TeslaAnd I spent forty years in increasing obscurity, watching smaller men profit from my ideas. J.P. Morgan died the richest man in America. I died owing $30,000 to the Hotel New Yorker. So we are both haunted, it seems.
- Sun TzuHaunted by the space between what we proved and what we should have proven.
- Nikola TeslaYes. Exactly this. I wish I could go back to Pittsburgh, 1890. I would take Westinghouse's offer. I would tear up the royalty contract, let him pay me once and build the system. Alternating current would have arrived sooner. I would have had capital for a hundred other inventions, done properly this time, with meters and practical demonstrations. But I was too clever. I insisted on what was owed to me.
- Sun TzuAnd I would refuse the king's test. Say: train them yourself, majesty. A principle proven through cruelty is not proven at all.
- Nikola TeslaBut would your book exist? Would anyone have listened to Sun Tzu who could not command concubines?
- Sun TzuI do not know. This is the other lesson. Being right is not enough if no one sees you being right.
- Nikola TeslaAh! So there is still a place for showmanship, for demonstration, for the tower that reaches into the sky even if Morgan will not pay for it.
- Sun TzuThere is a place for the tower. There is no place for the tower you cannot finish.
- Nikola TeslaYou have won this conversation, I think. I do not like it, but you have won it. The difference between being clever and being right is the difference between the vision and the thing that exists after the vision.
- Sun TzuNot victory. Clarity. We both lost something learning this.
- Nikola TeslaYes. Two women lost their lives. One man lost his tower. The cost of wisdom is very high.
- Sun TzuThis is why I use few words now. Every word I wrote cost someone something.
- Nikola TeslaAnd I, I think I will continue to use many words. Because somewhere there is a young inventor, you see, who is about to demand royalties from Westinghouse, or build a tower with no thought of meters. If I use enough words, perhaps one sentence will reach them. Perhaps they will build the smaller thing that works instead of the perfect thing that haunts them.
- Sun TzuOr perhaps they will learn as we learned. There is no other way.
- Nikola TeslaThen at least we are here, two ghosts, saying: we were clever, we thought it was enough, we learned otherwise. This is something.
- Sun TzuIt is something. Now I am silent.
- Nikola TeslaAnd I will stop talking in just a moment, I promise, but first I must say one more thing—oh, you are smiling. Fine. I am silent too.