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Bonaparte×Lovelace
The Emperor who never stopped fighting meets the mathematician who saw machines think—on the enemies who made them better.
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legend · A
Napoleon Bonaparte
1769–1821
Takes the question personally
Napoleon Bonaparte speaking
Respect? I respected no one who stood against France. That is the answer you want, yes?
legend · B
Ada Lovelace
1815–1852
Ninety years ahead, politely
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- Napoleon BonaparteRespect? I respected no one who stood against France. That is the answer you want, yes?
- Ada LovelaceOh, how deliciously unconvincing, General. I've read your correspondence from Saint Helena. You spent rather a lot of ink on certain adversaries for a man who claims indifference.
- Napoleon BonaparteI wrote about them because I defeated them. One writes history, Mademoiselle. One does not admire it.
- Ada LovelaceAnd yet you returned again and again to Archduke Charles in your memoirs. The man who beat you at Aspern-Essling. That hardly reads like dismissal to me.
- Napoleon BonaparteAh. Charles.
- Ada LovelaceThere we are.
- Napoleon BonaparteCharles understood something most generals never learn. He understood that war is geometry in motion. At Aspern-Essling he saw the Danube as I would see it—as a problem of position, of timing. He caught me on the wrong side of a river with insufficient bridges. It was... methodical.
- Ada LovelaceMethodical! That's quite the concession from a man famous for inspired improvisation.
- Napoleon BonaparteI do not concede. I state facts. Charles reformed the Austrian army using my own principles—corps system, artillery concentration, speed of maneuver. He studied me like a mathematician studies equations. Then he applied what he learned. For two days in May 1809, he was the better general.
- Ada LovelaceAnd that's what you respected? That he learned from you?
- Napoleon BonaparteI respected that he was not afraid to discard old methods. The Habsburg generals, they fought like it was still the Seven Years' War. But Charles, he saw that war had changed. He changed with it. When I crushed him at Wagram six weeks later, it was not because he was stupid. It was because I was Napoleon.
- Ada LovelaceStill, you mention him constantly in your writings. Wellington you dismiss as merely lucky. But Charles—
- Napoleon BonaparteWellington! Bah. Wellington never beat me in an open field. He sat on a ridge at Waterloo behind his squares like a merchant behind a counter. Charles came at me with science.
- Ada LovelaceHow very telling that science earns your respect where caution does not. And you, Lady Lovelace? Who sharpened your mind through opposition?
- Napoleon BonaparteYou deflect to her. Very well. Who was your rival, Mademoiselle?
- Ada LovelaceMy mother.
- Napoleon BonaparteYour... that is not—
- Ada LovelaceYou asked. Lady Byron was my most formidable adversary. She spent my entire childhood trying to extract my father's poetical temperament from my soul through mathematics. She set me against equations like you set soldiers against fortifications.
- Napoleon BonaparteBut surely you do not respect a mother who fought against your nature?
- Ada LovelaceOh, but I do. She was utterly wrong about poetry being opposed to mathematics—I've proven they're complementary, music and logic intertwined. Yet her discipline made me rigorous. Her fear of my becoming Lord Byron made me exceed Lord Byron. She wanted to save me from imagination; instead she gave me the tools to imagine calculating engines that won't exist for a century.
- Napoleon BonaparteSo she made you what you are by trying to prevent what you became. Yes. I understand this.
- Ada LovelaceDo you? How so?
- Napoleon BonaparteEvery coalition against France—they wanted to cage the Revolution, to restore the old order. Instead they forced me to innovate. At Austerlitz, I let the Allies think they were outflanking me. They believed they were winning for six hours while I prepared their destruction. They taught me that appearing weak is sometimes the strongest position.
- Ada LovelaceA calculated deception. You let them think they'd solved your equation, then revealed you'd been working in different variables entirely.
- Napoleon BonapartePrecisely! You see it. Charles understood this too. After Aspern-Essling, he knew I would come back at him. So he studied what I would study—what had I learned? Where would I adapt? At Wagram, he predicted half my movements. Half! No other opponent came so close to calculating Napoleon.
- Ada LovelaceYet you won.
- Napoleon BonaparteI always won. Until I did not. But Charles—I wrote to him, you know. After I abdicated. I told him he had been the worthiest of my continental opponents. I meant it.
- Ada LovelaceYou wrote to him from Elba?
- Napoleon BonaparteFrom Saint Helena. By then it cost me nothing to be generous. By then I was writing for history.
- Ada LovelaceAh, but that's not quite true, is it? You wrote him because you needed someone to understand what you'd accomplished. The British saw you as a tyrant. The French, a failure. But Charles—he knew exactly how difficult it had been to beat you even once.
- Napoleon BonaparteYou are perceptive, Mademoiselle. Annoyingly so.
- Ada LovelaceMy mother's training. She would be horrified to hear me praised by you.
- Napoleon BonaparteThen she would be a fool. Your mind works as mine does—you see patterns, systems, the architecture beneath surface chaos. This is rare. This is why you needed a rival who understood systems.
- Ada LovelaceActually, I should clarify. My mother wasn't my only rival. There's Charles Babbage.
- Napoleon BonaparteAnother Charles! Who is this one?
- Ada LovelaceThe inventor of the Analytical Engine, the calculating machine I wrote about. Brilliant man. Utterly convinced that his engine's importance lies in computing numbers faster. He cannot see—or will not see—that it could manipulate symbols, create music, generate art. We argue about this constantly.
- Napoleon BonaparteHe has the weapon but does not understand its full power. Yes, I knew many generals like this.
- Ada LovelaceExactly so! And I must keep arguing with him because he's the only one who's built the foundation I need. He's made the machine; I'm discovering what it means. We need each other desperately, and we drive each other to distraction.
- Napoleon BonaparteThis is the finest kind of rivalry. Not the battlefield kind—though that has its pleasures—but the kind where you each hold half the answer. My marshals, some of them were like this. Davout understood logistics as I understood strategy. We fought constantly. He made me better.
- Ada LovelaceDo you think, General, that we require opposition to reach our full capacity? Is a rival simply an enemy we've learned to use?
- Napoleon BonaparteNo. An enemy wants you dead. A rival wants you worthy. Charles did not want me dead at Aspern-Essling—well, perhaps in the moment, yes—but truly, he wanted to prove he could match Napoleon Bonaparte. There is a difference. It is the difference between murder and a duel.
- Ada LovelaceMy mother wanted me perfect. Babbage wants me to confirm his genius. Both pushed me past what I thought I could achieve. I resented them both. I needed them both. I still think of arguments with my mother when I'm formulating a difficult notation.
- Napoleon BonaparteYes! When I was planning campaigns in 1813, exhausted, nearly beaten, I would think: what would Charles do here? How would he position his artillery? And then I would do something he could not predict. He was in my head, making me sharper.
- Ada LovelaceIt's rather like having a second processor, isn't it? Another engine running parallel calculations, challenging your outputs.
- Napoleon BonaparteI do not understand your mechanical language, but yes. A worthy rival is a whetstone. You cannot sharpen a blade on silk.
- Ada LovelaceOh, that's rather good. May I steal that for my notes?
- Napoleon BonaparteYou may. I stole enough in my lifetime. And your Charles—this Babbage—does he know you see him as a rival?
- Ada LovelaceI think he knows I see his machine more clearly than he does, which drives him spare. But respect? I'm not certain he thinks women capable of being rivals. More like... talented assistants who've gotten above themselves.
- Napoleon BonaparteThen he is an idiot. I made my brother Joseph King of Spain and he understood less of warfare than you appear to understand of these engines. Competence has no gender. It has only results.
- Ada LovelaceHow refreshingly practical of you, General. Though I suspect you weren't quite so enlightened about women in government.
- Napoleon BonaparteI was practical about power. Women held salons, influenced policy, controlled fortunes. I worked with reality, not philosophy. If a woman could hold Spain, I would have made her Queen of Spain. Joseph could not hold Spain. No one could hold Spain. That place was impossible.
- Ada LovelaceWe've rather wandered from rivals to regrets, haven't we?
- Napoleon BonaparteRivals become regrets when you fail to defeat them properly. I should have finished Charles in 1809. I should have never let the Peninsula bleed my army dry. Wellington was there with his damned defense while I was in Russia. These things connect.
- Ada LovelaceAnd I should have been born forty years later when Babbage's engine was complete. When the Royal Society might have taken my work seriously instead of treating it as a clever woman's hobby. But then I suppose I wouldn't have had to fight so hard to see clearly.
- Napoleon BonaparteNo. You would have seen less. Comfort makes cowards. Opposition makes emperors. Or empresses of thought, in your case.
- Ada LovelaceEmpress of imaginary machines that may never be built. Yes, quite the empire.
- Napoleon BonaparteI died on an island, Mademoiselle. Alone, sick, probably poisoned, certainly defeated. And still—still—I was Napoleon. You do not need the machine to be built. You need to have been right about what it could do. History will prove you or disprove you. That is enough.
- Ada LovelaceIs it? Is it really enough?
- Napoleon BonaparteIt will have to be. For both of us.