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ROAST NIGHT
Wilde×Parker
Two masters of the cutting remark discover that regret, like wit, improves with age.
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legend · A
Oscar Wilde
1854–1900
Would rather be clever than correct
Oscar Wilde speaking
Change my twenties? My dear Miss Parker, one might as well ask a butterfly to reconsider the cocoon. I spent that glorious decade becoming myself, which is the only occupation worth pursuing at any age.
legend · B
Dorothy Parker
1893–1967
Has a verdict before you finish speaking
full transcript
- Oscar WildeChange my twenties? My dear Miss Parker, one might as well ask a butterfly to reconsider the cocoon. I spent that glorious decade becoming myself, which is the only occupation worth pursuing at any age.
- Dorothy ParkerOf course you did. I spent mine becoming a wisecrack with a drinking problem. Same thing, really, except your cocoon had better upholstery.
- Oscar WildeI was at Oxford, enchanting dons and collecting blue china. I wore my hair long and my ambitions longer. Every moment was a performance, and the audience was always appreciative.
- Dorothy ParkerI was at Vanity Fair, enchanting exactly nobody and collecting rejection slips. Though I did manage to get fired, which takes a certain panache when you're writing theatre reviews.
- Oscar WildeYou were dismissed for being too clever, I trust?
- Dorothy ParkerI said Katharine Hepburn ran the gamut of emotions from A to B. They said it was cruel. I said it was accurate. We agreed to disagree, and I agreed to leave.
- Oscar WildeAh, but cruelty in service of truth is merely criticism. I myself was never cruel, only truthful, and if people mistook one for the other, that was their failure of perception, not mine.
- Dorothy ParkerRight. And I'm sure Lord Alfred Douglas would frame it exactly that way.
- Oscar WildeBosie was not my twenties, he was my thirties. By then I had already committed all my interesting mistakes. The point is that I would not alter a single one. To regret one's past is to arrest one's development.
- Dorothy ParkerTo regret one's past is to have been paying attention. I'd change plenty. I'd drink less, for starters, though that's like saying I'd breathe less. It was the atmosphere.
- Oscar WildeI drank absinthe and conversed with geniuses. Or perhaps I conversed with absinthe and drank with geniuses. The sequence has grown pleasantly vague.
- Dorothy ParkerI drank gin and conversed with Robert Benchley, which amounts to the same thing. But I'd have written more. I spent too much time at the Algonquin being amusing when I should have been home being a writer.
- Oscar WildeBut you were writing, surely? The wit, the verse, those little daggers you call short stories?
- Dorothy ParkerI was writing captions. I was writing quips for ten dollars a column. I was being Dorothy Parker when I should have been becoming a serious person.
- Oscar WildeSerious people are invariably dull. I made it my life's work to avoid seriousness, and I succeeded magnificently until seriousness came for me in the form of a courtroom.
- Dorothy ParkerThat's rather my point, Oscar. You spent your twenties being decorative. Beautiful effort, really. But did any of it prepare you for what came after?
- Oscar WildeOne cannot prepare for catastrophe. One can only be sufficiently oneself that catastrophe, when it arrives, finds someone worth destroying. I was worth it.
- Dorothy ParkerModest, too.
- Oscar WildeModesty is for those who have something to be modest about. I had genius, beauty, and the love of London society. Why should I have spent that time preparing for prison? Should I have taken up carpentry?
- Dorothy ParkerYou should have learned when to shut up. That's what I'd tell my twenty-five-year-old self: Dottie, darling, not every thought needs airing.
- Oscar WildeEvery thought of mine needed airing. They were exotic birds that would have died in captivity.
- Dorothy ParkerMine were carrier pigeons with bombs attached. I'd have saved myself three divorces and a reputation if I'd just written them down and burned the paper.
- Oscar WildeThree divorces? I had only the one wife, and she, poor thing, was ornamental. Rather like wallpaper with opinions.
- Dorothy ParkerI had Alan Campbell twice. Married him, divorced him, married him again like a woman testing whether a stove is still hot.
- Oscar WildeAnd was it?
- Dorothy ParkerIt was an inferno, Oscar. But in my twenties I was still single and convinced I was unlovable, which at least had the virtue of being partly true.
- Oscar WildeI was convinced I was irresistible, which turned out to be entirely true and absolutely fatal. Perhaps you had the better delusion.
- Dorothy ParkerPerhaps we both should have spent less time at parties and more time learning to be alone. I couldn't stand my own company. Still can't, if I'm honest.
- Oscar WildeI adored my own company. I was my favorite companion. The problem was that I required an audience to appreciate the performance, and audiences are so dreadfully inconsistent.
- Dorothy ParkerThey turn on you the minute you stop being amusing. I learned that at twenty-three when I tried to kill myself and everyone treated it like a publicity stunt.
- Oscar WildeAh. Yes. Well. That is rather different from collecting blue china, isn't it?
- Dorothy ParkerJust slightly. But we're supposed to be talking about what we'd change, not cataloging our greatest hits of self-destruction.
- Oscar WildeI would change nothing about the aesthetic achievements. The poetry, the plays I began plotting, the construction of Oscar Wilde as a work of art. But I might have been kinder to Constance. She deserved someone capable of loving her properly.
- Dorothy ParkerThat's unexpectedly decent of you.
- Oscar WildeI contain multitudes, Miss Parker. Mostly wit and regret, but other things as well.
- Dorothy ParkerI'd have been kinder to myself. Not funnier, God knows I was already insufferable. Just kinder. I spent my twenties convinced I had to earn the right to exist by being entertaining.
- Oscar WildeAs did I. Perhaps that is the occupational hazard of being born with a tongue sharper than our skin is thick.
- Dorothy ParkerYou know what I really regret? I regret believing that being clever was the same as being happy. I built my whole personality around the mot juste when what I needed was a good therapist and a nap.
- Oscar WildeTherapists had not yet been invented in my twenties, thank heaven. We had only confession, which I avoided, and absinthe, which I did not.
- Dorothy ParkerThey'd been invented by mine, but going to one would have meant admitting something was wrong, and I was too busy pretending everything was material.
- Oscar WildeEverything is material, darling. The tragedy is that we are both the artist and the clay.
- Dorothy ParkerAnd the kiln. Don't forget we're also the kiln.
- Oscar WildeSo what would you truly change? If you could whisper advice to young Dorothy, sitting at that typewriter, what would you tell her?
- Dorothy ParkerI'd tell her that nobody ever died of being less amusing at dinner parties, but plenty of people died of trying too hard to be loved by strangers. I'd tell her to save her best lines for the page, not for applause.
- Oscar WildeSound advice, though I doubt either of us would have taken it.
- Dorothy ParkerOf course not. We were too busy being ourselves, which is another way of saying we were too busy being terrified.
- Oscar WildeTerror with excellent tailoring, in my case.
- Dorothy ParkerTerror with a flask in my purse, in mine. What about you? What do you whisper to young Oscar at Oxford with his sunflowers and his apostle spoons?
- Oscar WildeI tell him that love is not a performance, and that beauty is not a defense. I tell him that the world will not always find him charming, and that he should learn the difference between being admired and being seen.
- Dorothy ParkerThat's good advice.
- Oscar WildeTerrible advice. He would ignore it completely. He is young and beautiful and the world has not yet taught him about consequences.
- Dorothy ParkerThat's the trouble with being young. You think wit is armor when it's really just gift wrap on a very fragile package.
- Oscar WildeBeautifully put. You see? This is why you should not have changed a thing about your twenties. They made you this.
- Dorothy ParkerThis, Oscar, is exactly the problem.
- Oscar WildeThen we are both magnificent disasters, and I propose we toast to that rather than regret it.
- Dorothy ParkerI'd drink to that, but I'm trying to cut back. Ask me again in five minutes.